Alts

I just got a message back from a guy that said he really liked the idea of the guild but he'd already joined a Jedi guild. He also stated that he would be interested in joining but only with an alt. This got me thinking, would it be sensible to allow players from other guilds to join our guild with just an alt? Considering the nature of this guild I'm not so sure. So answers on a postcard please!

I voted No. Sorry, I dont want to sound like a Doomsayer but I think an Alt would miss the point. Part of our strength comes from our continued input and communication, our 'Dedication to the SW Dream' if you will.

I think if someone came in as an alt they would not be able to contribute as well and would also fall by the wayside compared to the rest of us if this was not their initial guild.

I know it sounds like I'm being overtly negative, but I think its 100% or not at all.

'Bah, Humbug!"

I think you're right and I agree. I can't see a player that has a main in another guild being highly active either. That is a big part of what we're about and from my experience it doesn't work. You'd have events clashing no doubt and thats never a good thing. We also have to consider the 'secretive' side of our guild. The only way I could consider an alt from another guild is that if it was from an allied guild, and even then I'm not that keen on the idea.

I say Yes. Alts aren't a problem and there is no way you can control it anyway. The problem is that is the guild able to keep people around. If the guild is interesting enough people will have mains in it. But people need change. And sometimes need those alts in other places to try other things in game. Is that really that bad?

Sureshot wrote:

I think you're right and I agree. I can't see a player that has a main in another guild being highly active either. That is a big part of what we're about and from my experience it doesn't work. You'd have events clashing no doubt and thats never a good thing. We also have to consider the 'secretive' side of our guild. The only way I could consider an alt from another guild is that if it was from an allied guild, and even then I'm not that keen on the idea.

Those are essentially my problems with the idea. If we were a larger guild, sure. But when there's such a modicum of quality in this guild, I think it would be difficult to successfully require a character to be effective in both guilds. I think allying with his guild would be a good idea, though. And then he can still contribute and participate with us in some of our escapades.

I would agree to alts from existing players as everyone should be allowed to experiment. However for players from another guild I'm not sure how it could work. Maybe alts from another guild would be a rank between recruit and full member?

I read this topic last night before I went to bed and planned to write a 'no way!' post today. But the more I thought about it the more I'm inclined to say 'yes'. For reasons as follows:

Firstly, how will you police this? It's practically impossible to tell if people who sign up with us are going to be honest about being signed up elsewhere (for instance I might have a Jedi tucked away somewhere and have no intention of telling you till the game is running and I find out if my Jedi or Smuggler is more fun to play).

Secondly, Sureshot's a fab guild leader and this site is run so well it really is your one-stop-shop for swtor info. And the roleplaying here is unique in it's quality and scope. For those reasons we might see alts fast becoming main characters.

Thirdly, word of mouth. Now I like the idea of being in an exclusive club but having an "it's us or nothing" attitude can be seen, to be frank, as stuck-up. Is that how we want to be seen?

And finally, there are lots of people who are big roleplayers who have more than enough of themselves to spread around a couple of guilds and still be active within each. Are they less deserving of membership than exclusive members who may have, um, relaxed their activity?


That's my take on things. The most important point I think being the first. We can't police it so why exclude the honest? That's a heavy moment there and I don't want to end on a downer so here's a joke:

"When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness."

Godjera wrote:

I would agree to alts from existing players as everyone should be allowed to experiment. However for players from another guild I'm not sure how it could work. Maybe alts from another guild would be a rank between recruit and full member?

Hmm....I'm not to sure about this as again it defeats the object of having a member rank in the first place, if we have two seperate ones that is. It's certainly something to consider though.

Redwatch wrote:

I read this topic last night before I went to bed and planned to write a 'no way!' post today. But the more I thought about it the more I'm inclined to say 'yes'. For reasons as follows:

Firstly, how will you police this? It's practically impossible to tell if people who sign up with us are going to be honest about being signed up elsewhere (for instance I might have a Jedi tucked away somewhere and have no intention of telling you till the game is running and I find out if my Jedi or Smuggler is more fun to play).

This is true it will be hard to police but we are running a highly active guild, so if they're dissapearing for days on end then I will be taking note.

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Secondly, Sureshot's a fab guild leader and this site is run so well it really is your one-stop-shop for swtor info. And the roleplaying here is unique in it's quality and scope. For those reasons we might see alts fast becoming main characters.

Awww shucks! Thanks mate.

I actually agree with this, not the me being fab bit but the alts maybe becoming mains! It's happened to me before in my old guild and yes, it could happen again.

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Thirdly, word of mouth. Now I like the idea of being in an exclusive club but having an "it's us or nothing" attitude can be seen, to be frank, as stuck-up. Is that how we want to be seen?

See I think a lot of Heavy roleplay guilds get this stigma attached to them anyway. All you have to do is reject someone for having a s*** name and then you're labelled as a RP nazi! The same can be said for people with age limit entries to a guild, but it can't change the fact that it's rule of the guild. I think most people are fine with it as long as it's set in stone.

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And finally, there are lots of people who are big roleplayers who have more than enough of themselves to spread around a couple of guilds and still be active within each. Are they less deserving of membership than exclusive members who may have, um, relaxed their activity?

This I would be totally fine with personally as long as they are active, but then what happens when said person has two guild events on at the same time? Seeing as their alt is in our guild, I imagine we'd have to take the backseat so to speak. Also, there may well be players out there that would love to have their main in our guild and given the choice I would prefer to have that, as it fits the 'family unit'.

I voted 'No', though I think I was hasty

Reason why is that it may hinder roleplay as they could be gone for quite a while. Of course, there could be a good reason that is not "I have to play on my alt", could be work or other issues.

Really, if people want to join, but have alts, we should have a more extensive process to get them in. Firstly so we can make sure they're able to divide time well, secondly to make sure that they are not spies. But they could be the best RPer in the world and we could turn them down just because they have an alt. This, in my opinion, is not on.

You all realize this is a pointless discussion right? I mean you have no way of knowing if someone plays an alt or not without him saying it... So this will be a dead rule anyway.

Setting such a rule is bad in its core as it implicates that if someone doesn't log as much as we want them (probably plays an alt or has a real life) we should not welcome him... Thats a big "no no".

The guild itself - if its active and interesting will make people focus attention on it. We don't need rules to do that just a strong creative community

This thread should be called " Should we kick out inactive people" And then i would say yes. We should. If they are inactive for a long period of time without stating why then why should we have them in the guild anyway?

Actually, yeah.

What Aliendra said.
I guess having alts is fine, except, stricter trials on those in other guilds. Just see if members can divide their time well enough.

Hah, I inspired a thread and a poll here.

And the funny thing is Im against it

no, but the are a big problem we dont have control over what guild people are member off

Lord_Nord wrote:

no, but the are a big problem we dont have control over what guild people are member off

Yeah I agree we can't change that, but having it as a general rule will at least help matters.

i would be agianst leting alts in myself, but since there is now real way to stop them if they are active on them. but aslong as they still abid by are other rules i would not mind